Edward Fitz Randolph Jr.
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Edward Fitz Randolph Jr. (abt. 1607 - abt. 1684)

Edward Fitz Randolph Jr. aka Ffittsrandolfs, Fitts Surrandolfe, Fittsrendolfe, Fitts randolfe, Fitts Randolfe, Fittsrandolfe, Ffitsrandall, Fitzrandle, Ffitzrandolph, Fitzrandall
Born about in Sutton-in-Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, Englandmap
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Husband of — married 10 May 1637 (to 1684) in Scituate, Plymouth Colonymap
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Died about at about age 76 in Piscataway, Middlesex County, New Jerseymap
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Edward Fitz Randolph Jr. migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See The Directory, by R. C. Anderson, p. 116)
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Biography

Puritan Great Migration
Edward Fitz Randolph Jr. immigrated to New England between 1621 and 1640 and later departed for Piscataway, New Jersey
This profile is part of the Fitz_Randolph Name Study.

The Fitz Randolph family of Massachusetts and New Jersey should be clearly differentiated from the Randolph family of Virginia.

Name Variants

Ffittsrandolfs, Fitts Surrandolfe, Fittsrendolfe, Fitts randolfe, Fitts Randolfe, Fittsrandolfe, Ffitsrandall, Fitzrandle, Ffitzrandolph, Fitzrandall[1]

Baptism

"EDWARD FITZ RANDOLPH, the Pilgrim, and the progenitor of one of the Fitz Randolph family in America, was undoubtedly the "Edward Fitzrandall," son of Edward Fitz Randolph or Randall and his second wife Frances Howis or Howes., baptised at Sutton-in-Ashfield, co. Nottingham, England on July 8, 1607" Also "Edward Fitz Randolph baptized at Sutton-in-Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England, July 5, 1607." [2]

Edward was baptized as Fitz Randall.

Migration

Edward Fitzrandolph came from Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts; arrived in 1630 (according to the diary of his grandson Nathaniel of New Jersey.)[citation needed]

Author Banks speculates that he may have been an apprentice and was freed in 1630 when food became scarce. Several of these apprentices went to Plymouth Colony.[3][4]

As part of the 1630 "Great Migration," Edward Fitz Randolph was one of the 700 passengers who sailed in 11 ships which comprised the "Winthrop Fleet.

Marriage

Edward FitzRandolph and Elizabeth Blossom were married in Scituate, Plymouth Colony, 10 May 1637. Elizabeth Blossom was born at Leyden, Holland, about 1620, daughter of Thomas Blossom and Anne (Elsdon). After Edward's death she married (2) Capt John Pike in Piscataway, New Jersey. [5][6]

Timeline

  • He is called in deeds a yeoman, or farmer, and does not appear to have been employed in any official station. He had received a good education for those times, and as Mr Lathrop styles him "Master" he probably belonged to a good family. He came probably from the west of England.[7]
  • 1636 "the young Master Edward ffitsrandolph built the 38th house in Scituate, Mass." [8][9][7]
  • May 10, 1637 Having provided himself with a home be married, May 10, 1637, Elizabeth, daughter of Deacon Thomas Blossom of the Leyden and Plymouth churches.[7]
  • May 14, 1637 -- "Edward Fitts Surrandolph {sic} joyned church ... Scituate" Plymouth Colony. [10] His wife joined at Barnstable August 27, 1643.[7]
  • 5 June 1638. "Edward Fitzrandle desireth to be admitted a freeman the next Court."[11]
  • 1639, moved to Barnstable, Cape Cod among the original settlers. He sold his house in Scituate to Deacon Richard Sealis, and removed in the spring of 1639 to Barnstable, and built a house on his lot containing eight acres, bounded east by the road to Hyanis. [7][2][9]
  • 1643 Edward Fitzrandle was on the 1643 list of men able to bear arms in Plymouth Colony living in Barnstable[2][9][12]
  • 1647. He was bequeathed 10 Pounds Sterling in his father's will, 1647, "if he cum to demand it".
  • 1649 -- Edward Fitz Randolph sold his eight acre lot and three other town lots at Banstable, then moved to a 120 acre farm at West Barnstable, Plymouth Colony (now Barnstable County, Massachusetts. [7] Sold to John Chipman[13][2][9] The farm was, "a double great lot", containing 120 acres of upland, bounded north by the meadows, east by the Bursley farm, south by the commons, and west by the lands of Mr Thomas Dexter. [7]
  • 24 July 1669 Edward sold to son Nathaniel [14]
  • 1669 with wife and six children moved to Piscataway, New Jersey, with several other families from Cape Cod.[2][9][7]

Death

There is controversy over the death date of Edward. He died in New Jersey.

Nathaniel Fitz Randolph in his "Book of Records" says Edward died at nearly eighty years of age. If, as often stated, he died 1675 or 1676, he would only be 68 or 69. So probably he lived to 1684 or 5. [2] According to this article, Edward died in 1675-6 at Piscataway, New Jersey.[9]

1684/1685 -- Edward Fitz Randolph, age 83, died at Piscataway, Middlesex County, New Jersey.[15][16]

Edward Fitz Randolph was buried at St. James Churchyard, Middlesex County, New Jersey (now Stelton or Edison) Middlesex County, New Jersey. The tombstone is thought to have been destroyed when the British threw up breastworks for an encampment during the Revolution.[2][9]

In October 1683 his widow was living in Piscataway, New Jersey.[7]

Wife Elizabeth gave sons John, Joseph, Thomas, and Benjamin 26 Jun 1685 land and on 30 Jun 1685 married Capt John Pike of Woodbridge, NJ[2][9]

Children

  1. Nathaniel - bpt. 19 Aug 1640; d. Dec 1640[6]
  2. Nathaniel -baptized May 15, 1642,[6] married Mary Holley [9]
  3. Mary, bpt 6 Oct 1644[6]
  4. Hannah – baptized April 23, 1648,[6] married Jasper Taylor 6 Nov 1668 in Barnstable[9]
  5. Mary - ye last of May 1651 [bpt. June 2, 1650,[sic][6] 2 June 1650; married Samuel Hinckley Jan 15, 1669[9]
  6. John – bpt 2 Jan 1652[9]
  7. John -baptized Oct 7, 1653,[6] married Sarah Bonham in 1681[9]
  8. Joseph , bpt ye first of March 1656;[6] married Joanna Conger in 1687[9]
  9. Elizabeth – born 1657, married Andrew Wooden in 1676[9] Note: she is not listed in the original list of children.
  10. Thomas – born Aug 16, 1659,[6] married Elizabeth Manning in 1686[9]
  11. Hope – born April 2, 1661,[6] married Ezekial Bloomfield in 1680[9]
  12. Benjamin – born 1663,[6] first marriage to Sarah Dennis; m (2) Margaret Robinson[9]. While not included in original list of children, Edward's widow calls him son in a land sale.

Famous Descendants

U.S. President Barack Obama is a direct descendant of Edward and Elizabeth through their son Nathaniel[17] Prudence was a granddaughter of Nathaniel. She married Shubal Smith. His daughter Mary Smith married Jonathan Dunham, ancestor of Stanley Anne Dunham, mother of Barack Obama.

Research Notes

There is some question of the more remote ancestry of Edward FitzRandolph, including his descent from William I "the Lion", King of Scots (d. 1214). For the basic information see Gary Boyd Roberts, The Royal Descents of 600 immigrants [Baltimore: Genealogical, 2004], pp. 433-434. See also Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, Third edition [Baltimore: Genealogical, 1979], pp. 110-112, for the descent of Edward FitzRandolph from Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk (d. 1221), a Surety of the Magna Charta. These seem to have been debunked. To explain the debate, please see https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/233782/edward-randolph-fitzrandolph-longer-proven-gateway-ancestor

Sources

  1. ↑ From the Scituate and Barnstable Church Records (Amos Otis, compiler) and other Massachusetts records
  2. ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 Christian, Louise Aymar and Howard Stelle Fitz Randolph. The descendants of Edward Fitz Randolph and Elizabeth Blossom 1630-1950. East Orange, N.J.?: unknown, 1950. Accessed at Ancestry ($) p. 5
  3. ↑ Banks, Charles Edward. The Wintrop Fleet of 1630. Originally published Boston 1630. Reprint: Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Col. 1961-1999. p. 70 Accessed at Ancestry ($)
  4. ↑ Christian, Louise Aymar. "Nathaniel Fitz Randolph of Woodbridge, N.J., Quaker, and His Descendants." New England Historical and Genealogical Register 97:276 Link at AmericanAncestors ($)
  5. ↑ Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995). "Thomas Blossom" Link at AmericanAncestors ($)
  6. ↑ 6.00 6.01 6.02 6.03 6.04 6.05 6.06 6.07 6.08 6.09 6.10 Barnstable. Massachusetts: Vital Records, 1621-1850 (Online Database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001-2016). Link at AmericanAncestors ($) stating that the marriage occured in Scituate. pp 25, 26
  7. ↑ 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.6 7.7 7.8 Otis, Amos and Swift, Charles Francis Genealogical notes of Barnstable families Barnstable, Mass. : F. B. & F. P. Goss, 1888. pp 368, 369.
  8. ↑ Pastor Lathrop's Diary. This is mentioned in several secondary sources, but the Lathrop Diary does not seem to be online.
  9. ↑ 9.00 9.01 9.02 9.03 9.04 9.05 9.06 9.07 9.08 9.09 9.10 9.11 9.12 9.13 9.14 9.15 9.16 9.17 Christian, Louise Aymar. "Nathaniel Fitz Randolph of Woodbridge, N.J., Quaker, and His Descendants." New England Historical and Genealogical Register 97:276 Link at AmericanAncestors ($)
  10. ↑ "Scituate and Barnstable Church Records." The New England Historical & Genealogical Register and Antiquarian Journal, Volume 9 (1855) p. 280
  11. ↑ Records of the colony of New Plymouth in New England printed by order of the legislature of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts by New Plymouth Colony; Shurtleff, Nathaniel Bradstreet, 1810-1874; Pulsifer, David, 1802-1894, Published 1855, Vols 1-2, Publisher New York : AMS Press, [1]
  12. ↑ Stratton, Eugene Aubrey. Plymouth Colony: Its History & People 1620 - 1691. Ancestry Publishing: Provo, Utah. 1986. p. 444
  13. ↑ * "Massachusetts Land Records, 1620-1986," images, FamilySearch [2] : accessed 25 January 2016), Plymouth > Deeds 1620-1651 vol 1 > image 194 of 239; county courthouses and offices, Massachusetts.
  14. ↑ "Massachusetts Land Records, 1620-1986," images, FamilySearch [3] : accessed 25 January 2016), Plymouth > Deeds 1651-1681 vol 2-4 > image 479 of 677; county courthouses and offices, Massachusetts.
  15. ↑ Find A Grave: Memorial #45704155 No stone. Saint James Episcopal Church Cemetery, Edison, Middlesex County, New Jersey.
  16. ↑ SAR Membership Number 89625 SAR Membership Number 80794
  17. ↑ https://www.genealogyblog.com/?p=484
  • Roberts, Gary Boyd, Notable Kin, Volume 2, Santa Clarita, California: Carl Boyer, 3rd (1999), 103, 197.
  • Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co. (2008), 431.
  • Roberts, Gary Boyd, comp., Ancestors of American Presidents, Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society (2009), 512.
  • Cicero Pangburn McClure. Randolph Pangburn[,] William Pangburn[,] and His Wife Hannah Fitz Randolph. First Published 1909: The Pangburn Society of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Reprint 2015. India.
  • Edward Mayes. Genealogy of the Family of Longstreet Completed. Circa 1935. Privately published. Clark T. Thornton, editor. Reprinted 2009. Pages 49 - 50.
  • Bangs, Jeremy Dupertuis (Ed.) 1997-2001. The Seventeen-Century Town Records of Scituate, Massachusetts. 3 volumes. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society. There are several mentions of Edward as a resident and the different spellings used. Bangs makes the argument that the move from Scituate to Barnstable was due more to the poor quality of the farmland in Scituate rather than the dispute over baptism as some accounts highlight. He notes that there was a range of theological issues being debated, and the focus on baptism may reflect a later interpretation by the Baptist community to serve its own narrative. (In a conversation with Bangs, he also speculated that a certain William Randall cited in some Plymouth Colony records may have also been a Fitz Randolph, but adopted the Randall name instead -- something to explore! Noted by Thomas Fitz Randolph)
  • Oris H.F. Randolph, Edward Fitz Randolph Branch Lines: Allied Families and English and Norman Ancestry, Ann Arbor, Michigan: Edward Brothers. 1980.
  • Immigrant Ancestors -- A List of 2,500 Immigrants to America before 1750. Extracted from Volume VII Compendium of American Genealogy. Chicago, 1942. Edited by Frederick Adams Virkus. Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, Maryland. 1970. Page 56.
  • '"Fitz Randolph Traditions: A Story of a Thousand Years" (By Lewis Van Syckel Fitz Randolph, (New Jersey Historical Society, Published 1907)Sect 1, LL Ch. 2. •http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=2iINAAAAYAAJ contains a fraudulent ancestry of Edward Fitz Randolph in England (but not descendants in America). (The line goes through the Nevilles of Raby, earls of Westmoreland, and can still be found on too many websites.). See this G2G.
  • Mary Louise Marshall Hutton, Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors of Members of the National Society Colonial Dames XVII Century, 1915-1975, Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1983
  • Hornor, William S. This Old Monmouth of Ours. (Clearfield Co., 1999) Reprint. p. 285 1932 Version on Ancestry. Says b. about 1615, came with his mother.
  • Colket, Meredith B. Jr. Founders of Early American Families. Second Revised Edition. (Cleveland, Ohio: The Ohio Society with the authority of The General Court of the Order of the Founders and Patriots of America, 2002.) p. 120
  • "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch [4] : accessed 25 January 2016), Plymouth > Plymouth Colony > Births, marriages, deaths 1636-1686 > image 188 of 211; town clerk offices, Massachusetts. Original Birth record Hannah, Mary John, Joseph, Thomas Hope
  • Amos Otis, compiler, Scituate and Barnstable Church Records, NEHGR vol 10, p. 43, vol 9, pp. 280 (joined church), 282-286 (children baptism); Accessible at: USGenWeb Scituate page Scituate and Barnstable Church Records, Copied by Amos Otis (Link via Wayback Machine, capture date 03 Apr 2016.)
  • "Pioneers of Massachusetts"
  • "The Singletary Family History"
  • "English Origins of Ne Families" Vol.2
  • "Fitzrandolph of NJ"
  • Author?, Living Descendents of "Blood Royal" Volume 3, Page 484 through 486
  • Adams, Arthur. Living Descendants of Blood Royal. London: World Nobility and Peerage, 1959.
  • Randolph, Oris H. F. "Edward Fitz Randolph Branch Lines and Allied Families and English and Norman Ancestry", 1976
  • J.E. Stillwall, Article title?, New England Historical & Genealogical Register, Vol? date? p. 275.
  • Family Records first Settlers Piscataway & Woodbridge NJ, p 6, pt 1-2, p 244.
  • " Historical and Genealogical Miscellany" by J.E. Stillwell, Vol 3, p 238.
  • Proceedings of The New Jersey Historical Society, Third Series, Vol. II, 1897, p.355.
  • Frederick Lewis Weis, "The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215", Third edition [Baltimore: Genealogical, 1979], pp. 110-112, for the descent of Edward FitzRandolph from Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk (d. 1221), a Surety of the Magna Charta.
  • New England Ancestors Magazine, 2008, Vol. 9, Iss. 4, pp. 45-46, New England Historic Genealogical Society (Online Database).
  • New England Ancestors Magazine, Spring 2007, Vol. 8, Iss. 2, p. 11, New England Historic Genealogical Society (Online Database).
  • New England Ancestors Magazine, 2009, Vol. 10.1, p. 32, New England Historic Genealogical Society (Online Database).
  • New England Ancestors Magazine, 2001, Vol. 2.1, p. 40, New England Historic Genealogical Society (Online Database).
  • New England Historical and Genealogical Register, (New England Historic and Genealogical Society), 1855, Vol. 9, p. 286.
  • New England Historical and Genealogical Register, (New England Historic and Genealogical Society), 1943, Vol. 97, pp. 276-280.
  • The American Genealogist, New Haven, Connecticut: D. L. Jacobus, 1988, Vol. 63, p. 77, New England Historic Genealogical Society (Online Database).
  • Drake, George; Brown, J. F. (James Fuller), History of the First Baptist Church of Piscataway : with an account of its bi-centennial celebration, June 20th, 1889, and sketches of pioneer progenitors of Piscataway planters, Stelton, N.J., 1889. P. 114-115.

Internet Tree Sites

Indexes

  • Ancestry.com. U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889 - 1970. Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. Provo, UT, USA. 2011.
  • Gale Research. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. Provo, UT, USA. 2010. Repository R1.
  • Godfrey Memorial Library, comp. American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI). Ancestry.com Operations Inc. Provo, UT, USA. 1999.
  • Ancestry.com. U.S., New England Marriages Prior to 1700. Ancestry.com Operations Inc. Provo, UT, USA. 2012.




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J. McClintock
The death of Edward needs to be updated to the correct information. I posted a link to my write up of the evidence but nothing has changed. Here is the critical data:

Elizabeth (Blossom) Fitz Randolph: a Widow on 21 March 1676/77


Edward’s death date is a point of contention as evidenced by his profile at WikiTree: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fitz_Randolph-42. He clearly died prior to his widow’s remarriage on 30 June 1685, but how long before? Land records reveal his wife Elizabeth as a widow years earlier. The New Jersey State Archives provide many searchable databases online (https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx ). The one of interest here, under the heading “Land, Probate & Court Records,” is Early Land Records, ca. 1650-1900s. This database currently indexes over 74,857 land records held by the New Jersey State Archives. The earliest existing deeds and surveys in over 120 record books are included. Many index entries link to images of the original records. A search for Elizabeth Fitz Randolph in Middlesex County returns four results. They are for the warrant, survey, and patent of her land and a listing as an adjoining landowner in another person’s survey. The warrant is the earliest record, dated 21 March 1676/77. It is for 300 acres in Piscataway, Middlesex County, East Jersey, going to Widow Mrs. Elizabeth Fitz Randolph "in Right of her self her husband and three sons John, Joseph, and Thomas".[2] This is the widow of Edward Fitz Randolph as the sons listed are their known sons and this is the place where the family then lived.

That someone claimed Edward died at 80 is no reason to believe it when there is a document clearly stating Edward's wife was a widow much earlier.

Jean Hoffman

posted by J. McClintock
edited by J. McClintock
Madison-125 Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Good work, Jean. Since you're familiar with the records, could you perhaps write up a source citation with, if it's available, a link directly to the record which calls her a widow? The other records would be welcome citations, too.

Cheers, Bobbie

posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
J. McClintock
Here's a possible citation (but I'm not certified to post it):

Land Warrant to Widow Elizabeth Fitz Randolph, 21 March 1676/77, General Board of Proprietors of the Eastern Division of New Jersey, Surveys and Warrants (1675-1997), Liber 2, Part B (1675-1738), folio 52; digital image, New Jersey State Archives (https://www.nj.gov/state/darm/EarlyLandRecordsPDF/Liber2PtBp052.pdf : accessed 22 November 2023). See also search for Elizabeth Fitz Randolph in Middlesex County in "Early Land Records, 1750-1900s" (https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx for her survey and patent and name in another survey as owner of adjoining land.

posted by J. McClintock
Randolph-1145 Thomas Randolph
Jean,

Thanks for being persistent -- great to see this documented!

posted by Thomas Randolph
M Cole
Would one of the profile managers like to add this citation and update the information?
posted by M Cole
J. McClintock
Please see my blog post for NJ land records that I think show Edward Fitz Randolph died prior to 21 March 1676/77: https://bluegrassandbuckeyeroots.blogspot.com/2023/07/edward-fitz-randolph-died-by-1677-not.html.

Thanks, Jean

posted by J. McClintock
Hill-11959 S (Hill) Willson
Jean,

It would be very helpful if you added the sources you cite in your blog post to this profile. Thank you.

posted by S (Hill) Willson
Ellen Gustafson
Discrepancy - in 1683 his widow was living in Piscataway. 1654-5 Edward FitzRandolph died.
posted by Ellen Gustafson
Ellen Gustafson
I will be working on this profile when I have time, updating and adding information.
posted by Ellen Gustafson
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Could you please add the PGM Beyond sticker while you're at it? He qualifies since he removed to New Jersey. Thanks.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Ellen Gustafson
Done. Please put me down as a member of the PGM Beyond group, I’ve been meaning to join for awhile. Thanks.
posted by Ellen Gustafson
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Not sure if there is a team for PGM beyond or not. I'll let Brad Stauf know; he's our new membership coordinator!
posted by Jillaine Smith
Ellen Gustafson
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posted by Ellen Gustafson
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Phelps-2969 Leila (Phelps) Schutz
Edward Fitz_Randolph (Fitz_Randolph-42 is the 10th great-grandfather of President Obama (private profile because he is still living) but this line can be investigated by searching from his mother's profile (Dunham-4). The Dunham family is a very old New England family with associations going back to Salem, Massachusetts in 1637. His mother was Stanley Ann Dunham and her direct line back to those early days is well researched.

What questions do you have that are not answered by following his mother's profile backward to the marriage of a Dunham to a Fitz_Randolph?

posted by Leila (Phelps) Schutz
Ellen Gustafson
I’ve done that already a few months ago. Obviously the connection is more complicated since it is through the Smiths.
posted by Ellen Gustafson
Cordell-47 David Mark Cordell
https://www.genealogyblog.com/?p=484
posted by David Mark Cordell
Ellen Gustafson
Thank you David, this is helpful.
posted by Ellen Gustafson
Laurie Fenrick
I am not saying that the following is not true but I have a question for anyone who can answer it, what is the proof behind the assertion that: Fitz Randolph Traditions: A Story of a Thousand Years" (By Lewis Van Syckel Fitz Randolph, contains a FRAUDULENT ANCESTRY OF EDWARD FITZ RANDOLF IN ENGLAND and that the line goes through the Nevilles of Raby, earls of Westmoreland?

I have traced my line back to this Edward Fitz Randolph-42 married to Elizabeth Blossom and want to continue back even further but want to make sure that I am following correct information. Thank you for the help that anyone can give.

Laurie

posted by Laurie Fenrick
Cochoit-2 Joe Cochoit
See this G2G: Is Edward Fitz Randolph (Fitz_Randolph-42) no longer a proven gateway ancestor?
posted by Joe Cochoit
Ellen Gustafson
This information should be in the profile.
posted by Ellen Gustafson
Randolph-1145 Thomas Randolph
I agree it would be helpful to post a 'health warning' for people working back from here, but the real documentation and disputes should be exactly what the hard-core genealogists need to record in the profiles going back -- generation by generation. Isn't that what we need to see more of?
posted by Thomas Randolph
Aldrich-908 Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
This profile has an inordinate number of profile managers. If you're not actively researching, will you please consider putting yourself on the trusted list instead of manager? You'll still receive notifications.

Cheryl

posted by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Ellen Gustafson
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posted by Ellen Gustafson
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Randolph-1145 Thomas Randolph
You are best going to Obama's mother's profile Stanley Ann Dunham (1942-1995) and working from there. The Dunham link is Mary (Smith) Dunham (1716-1784), granddaughter of Prudence (Fitz Randolph) Smith (1696-1766).
posted by Thomas Randolph
edited by Thomas Randolph
Ellen Gustafson
Thanks Thomas, I found it. It was through Shubal Smith. But that link does not work so maybe information should be given to clarify the connection?
posted by Ellen Gustafson
Ellen Gustafson
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Childs-1516 Christopher Childs
If, as seems to have been agreed, we do not have any other way to place the variants that will allow search engines to recognize them, then the variants should remain in the OLN field. Otherwise people will not be led to this profile.

If OTOH there is some other way to guarantee that the variants will be seen by search engines, I'd be all for making a change.

posted by Christopher Childs
Aldrich-908 Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
I concur. Although the list is long and gangly, it is better than others creating duplicate profiles because they can't find the name. Thank you, Christopher.
posted by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Aldrich-908 Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
There are eight managers for this profile. If you’re not actively researching and/or updating this profile, would you consider changing to Trusted List?

Thank you.

posted by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Isaac Taylor
Why are we spamming all possible phoenetic transcriptions of the simple family name, Fitz Randolph, into the database field? The number of AKAs here is really over the top. If we did this with the other 10 MILLION people with patronymics mis-scribed during the era of inconsistent written naming conventions, the entire site (and more broadly, the internet) would be broken. So, why are we doing it here?

Respectfully,

posted by Isaac Taylor
Childs-1516 Christopher Childs
Isaac, I believe this has been explained to you before: any spelling out there may wind up as a search term when someone is trying to research a person with the surname. Because WikiTree does not have any separate data field for "Variant Spellings", the only place to log those variants is in the OLN field. If we don't do that, and someone searches for the person by the variant surname, the search engine will not find the profile on this website, and the researcher may never realize that the individual they are seeking is profiled here.

Note that the "Name Variants" section in the Biography is not necessarily sufficient to ensure that the profile will be located by a search engine. Use of a data field to list the variants is the only guarantee that they will be visible to the engine.

posted by Christopher Childs
edited by Christopher Childs
Ellen Gustafson
“Name Variants” seems redundant.
posted by Ellen Gustafson
edited by Ellen Gustafson
Anonymous Dorland
I do know that the proof for Elizabeth is supposed to be given in this article, as footnoted here: Christian, Louise Aymar, Nathaniel Fitz Randolph of Woodbridge, N.J., Quaker, and His Descendants, New England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol. 97, p. 275. I have not personally read the article, however. ADDITIONAL NOTE: It does not seem accurate to list the surname as Fitz Randolph and also list Fitz as his middle name.
posted by Anonymous Dorland
Isaac Taylor
Fitz is NEVER a middle name. Anywhere in the world or all human history.
posted by Isaac Taylor
Randolph-1145 Thomas Randolph
Sorry, with all due respect, Fitz is actually my middle name. That just highlights the variation in how the Fitz is used. In my branch, the boys get Fitz as their middle name, but girls get a different middle name -- but know they are 'Fitz Randolph's' :)
posted by Thomas Randolph
edited by Thomas Randolph
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Isaac, where are you seeing "Fitz" as a middle name on this profile? The middle name field is currently empty.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Here's a link to the NEHGR article Dorland references above (requires NEHGS membership to view):

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-england-historical-and-genealogical-register/image?pageName=275&volumeId=11579

It does include a daughter Elizabeth and appears to be derived from her Piscataway NJ marriage record.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Anonymous Dorland, what source(s) does the 1950 work cite for supporting Elizabeth as their daughter? I do not see her included in the original vital records as cited by Susan several years ago.

I also see we still have a daughter Margaret for whom there is no original record.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
I checked the NEHGR article referenced elsewhere; it does not include a daughter Margaret.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Aldrich-908 Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Thank you for handling this through the merge you proposed on Margaret's profile.
posted by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Anonymous Dorland
I have designated the person outlined by this profile (and his wife) as the parents of Fitz_Randolph-1. This was documented by Christian et al in 1950 in "The Descendants of EDWARD FITZ RANDOLPH and ELIZABETH BLOSSOM, 1630 - 1950" (p. 7). I do possess a photocopy of the book as a computer file.
posted by Anonymous Dorland
Lindgren-199 Anne Lindgren
For your consideration:

As reported on Wikitree: Dianne and Anne are 10th cousins Dianne Dearring-1 and Anne Lindgren-199 are both descendants of Edward Fitz Randolph Jr.-42 Dianne is the daughter of Angeline (Burchett) Dearring  ?2. Angeline is the daughter of Alta Caroline (Caudill) Burchett  ?3. Alta is the daughter of Sarah Elizabeth (May) Caudill  ?4. Sarah is the daughter of Lydia W (Conley) May  ?5. Lydia is the daughter of Mahala Davis  ?6. Mahala is the daughter of Catherine (Salyer) Davis  ?7. Catherine is the daughter of Zachariah Salyer Jr. [confident] ?8. Zachariah is the son of Zachariah Benjamin Salyer Sr [unknown confidence] ?9. Zachariah is the son of Rebecca (Bloomfield) Salyer [unknown confidence] ?10. Rebecca is the daughter of Hope (FitzRandolph) Bloomfield [unknown c

posted by Anne Lindgren
Holland-3338 Bettye (Holland) Carroll
Source: History of Philadelphia, 1609-1884, Volume 3, page 1805. By John Thomas Scharf, Thompson Westcott

Surveyors-General Of The Customs.Under The Crown.

Edward Randolph, in office. 9 mo. 13, 1691
[1]

Thank you!

posted by Bettye (Holland) Carroll
Holland-3338 Bettye (Holland) Carroll
Source: Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume I, page 379 BLADEN 17.

Nathaniel Bladen, Esq., witnessed the 1702 will of Edward Randolph, Esq., Surveyor General of Customs in America.

Thank you!

posted by Bettye (Holland) Carroll
B-404 Anne B
I will continue working on it
posted by Anne B
Randolph-1145 Thomas Randolph
I checked the older standard references: Fitz Randolph Traditions, the Oris H. F. Randolph and Louise Aymar Christian & Howard Stelle Fitz Randolph genealogies, and the p. 27 reference certainly does not refer to them. The information should be available from the Bangs, Otis, Anderson and maybe Roberts references, but I don't have the latter two.

Jilliane: I agree it would really make sense to give it a make-over, preferably with a single person holding the pen for the initial round, and anchoring it mainly on the strongest sources and syntheses, just using other sources to fill gaps. An annotated bibliography would be extremely useful for then avoiding the older more romantic versions being regularly re-introduced -- though not sure if aligned with wikitree style.

posted by Thomas Randolph
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Yowzer! This profile is a doozie of a mess. This search of the LDS catalog lists a lot of possibilities. That said, we might want to start this profile from scratch pulling from Anderson. Thoughts? Volunteers?
posted by Jillaine Smith
B-404 Anne B
I thought it might be also, but p. 27 is several generations away from this Edward, so that's not the one.
posted by Anne B

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